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Andy Cole; *Merged Topics*
Topic Started: Mar 21 2007, 05:35 AM (4,728 Views)
tevets
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Mar 22 2007, 12:43 PM
tevets
Mar 22 2007, 12:38 PM
Another striker, however good, will not make a lot of difference unless his playing forces a change in style.

exactly - and andy cole makes the runs that midfielders love, he is intelligent and a natural predator within the 25yd area. not only will he contribute goals, he brings experience the younger kids can't buy and a cool head in a heated situation. he may well be just what the doctor ordered, and i for one wish him well even if that upsets the anti sb mob.... ;)

Why does everything have to be brought down to a pro / anti Bruce debate?

Most appear to think Cole is a good signing but people have every right to question how effective he will be when played in our system, that is not necessarily pro or anti Bruce just realism.
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Mar 22 2007, 12:43 PM
tevets
Mar 22 2007, 12:38 PM
Another striker, however good, will not make a lot of difference unless his playing forces a change in style.

exactly - and andy cole makes the runs that midfielders love, he is intelligent and a natural predator within the 25yd area. not only will he contribute goals, he brings experience the younger kids can't buy and a cool head in a heated situation. he may well be just what the doctor ordered, and i for one wish him well even if that upsets the anti sb mob.... ;)

As a fully paid up member of the "anti sb mob" I'd like to say that I do wish him well and I REALLY HOPE HE PROVES ME WRONG. You've got to realise that I DO actually want us to do well and get back into the PL - it's just that I don't believe we will.
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Mar 22 2007, 12:47 PM
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As I said last time on the subject of your apparent need to prove yourself right. Isn't it time just to get behind the team and not keep dragging the old Bruce Out banner out every time things go slightly wrong, or in this case when you think that possibly in the future, if the wind is blowing in the wrong direction things might be done that might not suit your set of infallible traps for Bruce that might then just prove you were right in the first place when you said Bruce Out?


You're probably correct Wisel, I sometimes do see some things wrong that I would probably give other managers a break with. However, on this occasion I've had a good think about it and I do sincerely have concerns that we're proceeding down a well-worn path.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, the Cole signing in isolation isn't a problem, I am more worried about the long-term implications of a transfer policy that was (by Bruce's own admission) wrong. I think its no coincidence that these players are friends of Bruce.

Whether I am right or wrong I actually think its a positive thing to actually fire a warning shot across the bows of Steve Bruce, just let him know (if he takes any notice of this board, which I doubt) that he is being watched and the horrendous errors of last season will not be tolerated (well by me anyway, I get the impression you would congratulate him if he walked on the pitch, lowered his trousers and showed the words 'Wisel is buffoon' tattooed on his backside).

In terms of Bruce himself, I did actually congratulate him on his substitutions on Sunday, which you conveniently forget. Perhaps when waxing lyrical on my supposed hate campaign against Bruce you might just stop to consider your continued campaign against myself and your efforts to brow-beat me in to silence.

In short, the Cole signing is probably the good thing, the precedent it sets is perhaps a little worrying.

My sincere apologies if you feel brow beaten, and your silence is not something that I want. I just find it difficult to see continued and consistent attackes on the man, when we actually seem to be making some good progress. I really do not understand an approach that would be more lenient with non Blues managers than with our own.

HG I find you an intelligent poster on most occasions, and although we do not see eye to eye always, I do enjoy our discussions.
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My sincere apologies if you feel brow beaten, and your silence is not something that I want. I just find it difficult to see continued and consistent attackes on the man, when we actually seem to be making some good progress. I really do not understand an approach that would be more lenient with non Blues managers than with our own.

HG I find you an intelligent poster on most occasions, and although we do not see eye to eye always, I do enjoy our discussions.


Thank you for your kind words Wisel, and may I say I thoroughly enjoy our verbal fisticuffs and that I mean everything in good humour.

Just a couple of points to pick up on, the first being that I don't feel brow-beaten, just that you are trying to brow-beat me - a subtle, but important, difference.

The second point on being more lenient on other managers than Bruce, I don't actually feel I am, I don't rate McLaren, Pearce, Curbishley, Pardew et al very highly either, but I do admire some individual points in each.

For example I enjoyed Pearce's comments about fans and found them a welcome antidote to the vitriol from Mr Bruce. However Bruce is a much better spotter of players than Pearce and I acknowledge each individuals strengths and weaknesses.

If it seems I am an ardent "Bruce-outer" then you have me wrong. I haven't felt Bruce should be sacked since 2006, I acknowledged that he should be given at least one more season and I did acknowledge the part subsitutions played last Sunday. However, I will be critical where i think criticism is due as I think this is vital to the running of the club and its success (after-all the season only really got going when Bruce felt the pressure from the supporters)

I still feel that more fan pressure instead of the ensuing apathy may have helped last season, thats the past, but an important message for the future.

I still go to the games, will renew my season ticket whatever league we're in and offer my unswerving support at games - but I'll still have a moan on here from time to time
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Mar 22 2007, 01:44 PM
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Mar 22 2007, 12:43 PM
tevets
Mar 22 2007, 12:38 PM
Another striker, however good, will not make a lot of difference unless his playing forces a change in style.

exactly - and andy cole makes the runs that midfielders love, he is intelligent and a natural predator within the 25yd area. not only will he contribute goals, he brings experience the younger kids can't buy and a cool head in a heated situation. he may well be just what the doctor ordered, and i for one wish him well even if that upsets the anti sb mob.... ;)

Why does everything have to be brought down to a pro / anti Bruce debate?

Most appear to think Cole is a good signing but people have every right to question how effective he will be when played in our system, that is not necessarily pro or anti Bruce just realism.

:applause:

although it is all a bit pointless untill we actually see him play in our team... we have been screaming out for a player to get in the box and stay there when we are attacking... all our other strikers seem to wonder or hit the wings... Cole is a old fashioned striker IMO and hopefully will be in the right place at the right time like he has been for years **thumbup
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Mar 22 2007, 05:12 PM
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My sincere apologies if you feel brow beaten, and your silence is not something that I want. I just find it difficult to see continued and consistent attackes on the man, when we actually seem to be making some good progress. I really do not understand an approach that would be more lenient with non Blues managers than with our own.

HG I find you an intelligent poster on most occasions, and although we do not see eye to eye always, I do enjoy our discussions.


Thank you for your kind words Wisel, and may I say I thoroughly enjoy our verbal fisticuffs and that I mean everything in good humour.

Just a couple of points to pick up on, the first being that I don't feel brow-beaten, just that you are trying to brow-beat me - a subtle, but important, difference.

The second point on being more lenient on other managers than Bruce, I don't actually feel I am, I don't rate McLaren, Pearce, Curbishley, Pardew et al very highly either, but I do admire some individual points in each.

For example I enjoyed Pearce's comments about fans and found them a welcome antidote to the vitriol from Mr Bruce. However Bruce is a much better spotter of players than Pearce and I acknowledge each individuals strengths and weaknesses.

If it seems I am an ardent "Bruce-outer" then you have me wrong. I haven't felt Bruce should be sacked since 2006, I acknowledged that he should be given at least one more season and I did acknowledge the part subsitutions played last Sunday. However, I will be critical where i think criticism is due as I think this is vital to the running of the club and its success (after-all the season only really got going when Bruce felt the pressure from the supporters)

I still feel that more fan pressure instead of the ensuing apathy may have helped last season, thats the past, but an important message for the future.

I still go to the games, will renew my season ticket whatever league we're in and offer my unswerving support at games - but I'll still have a moan on here from time to time

Good man, I'm with you.
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Good signing as we do need a goal scorer or some one to show the boy's how its done.

I still can't beleave we have not bought in a Defender though.

Or a play maker. (wish full thinking there like hens teath)

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Mar 22 2007, 01:52 PM
proccysotv
Mar 22 2007, 12:43 PM
tevets
Mar 22 2007, 12:38 PM
Another striker, however good, will not make a lot of difference unless his playing forces a change in style.

exactly - and andy cole makes the runs that midfielders love, he is intelligent and a natural predator within the 25yd area. not only will he contribute goals, he brings experience the younger kids can't buy and a cool head in a heated situation. he may well be just what the doctor ordered, and i for one wish him well even if that upsets the anti sb mob.... ;)

As a fully paid up member of the "anti sb mob" I'd like to say that I do wish him well and I REALLY HOPE HE PROVES ME WRONG. You've got to realise that I DO actually want us to do well and get back into the PL - it's just that I don't believe we will.

i do believe you bv, and i've said before just because we have differing views doesn't make anyone better fans than anyone else - but i would point out i'm not pro sb either, but support the fact he is what we have right now....
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A mistake. A nonsensical headline grabbing panic buy which will upset what little team dynamic Bruce has managed to build in his wasted years.

Got alongside yesterday and all the Pompey dockies were laughing about it. He's been useless for them this season.

Still, he's one of Bruces old mates isn't he? May as well employ some while he's got the chance because come June he'll be (and stay forever hopefully) an ex-manager.
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Harry: Why I let Cole join Blues

Hmmm... I wonder if Cole will "not find the right chemistry on the pitch" with our top scorer?! :unsure:
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i heard cole would rather have a speed boat than a kanu. :rolleyes:
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I've seen Cole play for Pompey this season, he's lost a fair few yards of pace since his Newcastle days
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Good job we have plenty of young and hungry players to do the running for him then really.

I'm sure Cole went to Portsmouth expecting to be able to play more often than not, the form of Kanu, who lets face it has been useless for three seasons, must have shocked him as much as it did Redknapp. And with Cole and Kanu both more mature, it was obvious Portsmouth would need a younger, fitter striker playing alongside either of them. Hence Kanu, who had a phenomenal start to the season, and Benjani, who is his willing runner, being his first choice partnership.

It's hardly rocket science.
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Mar 23 2007, 07:36 AM
A mistake. A nonsensical headline grabbing panic buy which will upset what little team dynamic Bruce has managed to build in his wasted years.

Got alongside yesterday and all the Pompey dockies were laughing about it. He's been useless for them this season.

Still, he's one of Bruces old mates isn't he? May as well employ some while he's got the chance because come June he'll be (and stay forever hopefully) an ex-manager.

Pompey dockies can laugh, but they still have to live in Portsmouth, so they won't be laughing when they get home. I hate mushas.

Anyway, the main problem with Cole is that he's relied on service all his career. There won't be any at Blues, unless McSheffrey can conjure up something. I'd put him in the queue behind Bendtner, Vine, Jerome and Forssell before playing him. If Bruce wanted one of his old mates to play I'd rather he'd phoned Ronnie Wallwork or Jaap Stam.
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not sure what to think of this signing, i think its better than signing nobody at all but we have 5 strikers already and would of prefered a defender or right winger, but i still think cole just because of he's pedigree & experience ect ect will have a positive impact on our team!
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Mar 23 2007, 03:28 PM
not sure what to think of this signing, i think its better than signing nobody at all but we have 5 strikers already and would of prefered a defender or right winger, but i still think cole just because of he's pedigree & experience ect ect will have a positive impact on our team!

Thats probbly the key thing, experiance. If we can put cole on with say Jerome, Jerome will probbly improve because Cole will help him out, tell him where to run etc.
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Errm didn`t we all say this about Dwight Yorke ??????????

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Errm didn`t we all say this about Dwight Yorke ??????????

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Yes, and Keane will probably be able to get Cole to play also, after Bruce has failed to...
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